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Dear All
Taiwan society may be out of order if Taiwan become part of PRC that belongs CCP dictatorship powerful rulers, more gainsters will move to island from PRC, the poor Chinese will move to island-Taiwan repeatedly, but not rich Chinese, and more Chinese will replace Taiwanese positions.
PLA will occupy island and oppress sooner eventually. More citizens of Taiwan will become
unemployees or poverty-ridden, even become beggars.
The only way for Taiwan better bright future, woould be help citizens of Taiwan understand
They are true masters of the land, that Taiwan future is desided by the people, the island is land of the people, by the people and for the people thatg right and privileges above all.
However, claim the international peach workers help Taiwan freedom independent is part of Taiwanese own tasks.
The proper education and details Taiwan true history help children by parents or elders and from schools are most important help the people of Taiwanese walk in the right path and bright future.
If children honest the royalty own nation-Taiwan, than they will become responsible citizens, than they can respect self-identity, than they can respect their parents or elders, as well as relatives or people live in the same land.
On the other hands, if children dishonor own nation-Taiwan, but call themself-Chinese, than they may become hostile Taiwan, than they may get rid of self-identity, than they could disrespect the parents or elders, but adore or admire the enemy CCP brital, or knell caps for snobbish, walk to traps, etc.
Many people vote current present Ma, because they wish the richest KMT can bring back the money or gold help Taiwan eocominc growing, but Taiwanese dreams nightmares.
Anyone has opinion or reply
Louise

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Cheng-Kuang Chen <chengkuangchen@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cheng-Kuang Chen <chengkuangchen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GlobalForumIntl] Letter in Calgary Herald-- Pls post on fapa forum.
To: "TDA" <tati@taiwantt.org.tw>
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 11:48 PM

Bridge to Nowhere
Dear Coen:
Different eyes see different messages in the same movie. As I can see from your description, it’s the ROC-DPP and its die-hard supporters like you that fit the image of Colonel Nicholson so perfectly that I was surprised you failed to see it. I assume in that movie, Bridge on the River Kwai, the bridge led to somewhere, but in your make of the movie on Taiwan , the bridge built by your camp is leading to nowhere!!
It is sad to see that you and the other FAPA guys had worked so hard to protect ROC and KMT by concocting a poisoned apple, called “ Taiwan is ROC and ROC is Taiwan ”, and fed it to the innocent Taiwanese. Your fallacy is most welcome to the Communist China, which also maintains that ROC is Taiwan and Taiwan is ROC. Now, who is Beijing ’s mouthpiece?
Due to your wrong interpretation, you had not only misled FAPA, but also misguided the US Congress such that it mixed up [ Formosa ] with [the ferocious ROC-KMT regime that had invaded and occupied Formosa ]. You should have known that Formosa is the victim, and the ROC regime is the killer and aggressor. How can the victim and the killer be the same one? This is not a magic show. Those who support such lies will eventually come down as the historical sinners of Taiwan . Time will disclose the truth sooner or later.
Now that the election results in Taiwan had switched the spotlight back to ROC-KMT, the bridge made by ROC-DPP was officially destroyed. But, your camp still would not believe it’s over. You continued to champion ROC by dressing it up as Taiwan , and tried to sneak into the UN. I bet you don’t even know who you are working for any more, Taiwan , ROC or PRC? You are deceiving the Formosans by using the fallacy, [The people of Taiwan has the right and can join UN], but as what country, may I ask? Neither Taiwan nor ROC is a sovereign state, and statehood is the requirement of UN membership. You are merely obsessed with a delusion not sustainable. See, how well you can play the role of Colonel Nicholson?
If we should follow your storyline to the end, Taiwanese would have nothing to fight against PRC’s invasion, because ROC is part of China . If ROC is Taiwan , according to you, China can legally take over Taiwan without a sweat. Now, who is marching to the drumbeat of Beijing , yet is paid for by the innocent Taiwanese taxpayers? The future of Taiwan would turn black at the end of the movie made by ROC-DPP and FAPA guys, the historical sinners of Taiwan . Is this how you want to be remembered by the numerous Taiwanese to come, who would lose hope for democracy because of you?
It is the US Department of State that said [ Taiwan cannot join UN]. So, what’s the big deal? Why don’t you protest to Daniel Wilder, the spokesman of DOS.
Our way is the fastest, safest and most reliable way to help Taiwan reach for international organizations, such as UN. Why do you oppose without good reasons! Each step of our way is backed up by sound legality as follows.
(1) Request termination of the military occupation by ROC. Whoever brought the devilish invaders to Formosa is obliged to take it away from us. This is the greatest wish shared by all Formosans.
(2) Organize the civil government, draft and legalize the organic laws per referendum of the people of Formosa .
(3) The foreign power, KMT and ROC, the regime in exile shall be back to their homeland, Kinmen and Matsu . Like it or not, it’s the law.
(4) The people of Formosa need to learn how to manage themselves under the protection of USMG, which has the power and obligation to help Formosa achieve its goal.
(5) In the case of Cuba , it took a few years, and in Philippines ’ 10 years to get independent. Puerto Rico is still undecided on its independence.
After a few years of initial promotion, we have stepped into action starting March 26th, 2006. Look at what we have accomplished so far in less than 3 years!!
1. The federal lawsuit has got to the court of appeals, after you lied to the public that it was dismissed and hit a dead end. You should apologize to the Formosans for spreading the wrong information intended to break their hearts.
2. We have applied and started to organize the Formosa Civil Government.
3. The passport of Formosa Cession has been issued.
4. The flag of the Formosan Cession is established.
Each step of our endeavors has been sent to US-DOS for their records.
The lawsuit is proceeding in the [Court of Appeals], and the more than 1,000 pages accumulated legal documents were viewed by nearly 3 dozens of professional lawyers, who spent nearly 3 years on the case. If even the DOS attorneys could not dismiss the case of [Lin v. USA ], all the laypersons like Coen, Steve and Allen etc. should refrain themselves from spreading unprofessional gossips. Since many of you are actually spending the money taxed from Formosans, you should strive to work with Dr. Roger Lin et al, instead of wasting all parties’ money and time by carrying on the endless disputes based on the ROC-DPP’s Bridge to Nowhere.
Global Forum Cheng Kuang Chen
Sept. 17, 2008


coenblaauw@aol.com wrote:
Again, you are doing Beijing's work -- You have become their mouthpiece ---

That you rally a couple of innocent and well-meaning folk in front of the presidential palace and label this as a "Mass Protest" is fine. All these pinprick events WITHIN Taiwan are fine as a matter of fact. Especially that talk about a shadow government and about moving the ROC to Kinmen and Matsu. It does not attest to a large sense of reality, but it is kind of cute.

But that you now start telling the people of Canada (and thus the rest of the online community) that the 23 million of Taiwan will not be able to join the United Nations based on some sort of legal "theory" and under the guise of "education" is unacceptable. That is exactly Beijing's position!

That sad sap Colonel Nicholson comes to mind -- the character in the 1957 movie "Bridge on the River Kwai" played by Alec Guinness. British officer Nicholson is SO PROUD of the bridge he so carefully designed and built that he rather shoots down and sacrifices his own men than see the structure he designed collapse and fade away.

And just before the end credits start rolling you see him wonder around aimlessly murmuring to himself "What have I done...? What have I done...?"

And then the screen turns to black....


COEN BLAAUW



* * *



International laws; Calgary Herald
Published: Wednesday, September 10, 2008

The conjecture that Taiwan fully qualifies for admission to the UN is often advanced in a wide variety of media. Unfortunately, however, what the authors of these articles completely overlook in their analysis is a branch of international law called the "laws of war." Under the laws of war of the post-Napoleonic period, the Oct. 25, 1945 Japanese surrender ceremonies in Taiwan did not mark the transfer of Taiwan's sovereignty to China (as the Chinese have so vociferously proclaimed for over 60 years). Legally speaking, the completion of the surrender ceremonies only marked the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan. The Chinese moved its central government to occupied Taiwan, to become a government in exile. Not surprisingly, when Japan renounced its sovereignty over Taiwan in the post-war peace treaty, the government in exile20was not designated as the recipient. Hence, Taiwan is not a state, it remains as occupied territory. As such, it cannot enter the United Nations.

Roger C.S. Lin

Roger C.S. Lin has a Ph. D. in international law from Meijo University in Japan, has served as chairman of the Taiwan Civil Democratic Party, and currently lives in Taipei, Taiwan.

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yes , We must go our own way .

2008/9/19 Louise chen <lchen4real@yahoo.com>
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Dear All
Taiwan society may be out of order if Taiwan become part of PRC that belongs CCP dictatorship powerful rulers, more gainsters will move to island from PRC, the poor Chinese will move to island-Taiwan repeatedly, but not rich Chinese, and more Chinese will replace Taiwanese positions.
PLA will occupy island and oppress sooner eventually. More citizens of Taiwan will become
unemployees or poverty-ridden, even become beggars.
The only way for Taiwan better bright future, woould be help citizens of Taiwan understand
They are true masters of the land, that Taiwan future is desided by the people, the island is land of the people, by the people and for the people thatg right and privileges above all.
However, claim the international peach workers help Taiwan freedom independent is part of Taiwanese own tasks.
The proper education and details Taiwan true history help children by parents or elders and from schools are most important help the people of Taiwanese walk in the right path and bright future.
If children honest the royalty own nation-Taiwan, than they will become responsible citizens, than they can respect self-identity, than they can respect their parents or elders, as well as relatives or people live in the same land.
On the other hands, if children dishonor own nation-Taiwan, but call themself-Chinese, than they may become hostile Taiwan, than they may get rid of self-identity, than they could disrespect the parents or elders, but adore or admire the enemy CCP brital, or knell caps for snobbish, walk to traps, etc.
Many people vote current present Ma, because they wish the richest KMT can bring back the money or gold help Taiwan eocominc growing, but Taiwanese dreams nightmares.
Anyone has opinion or reply
Louise

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Cheng-Kuang Chen <chengkuangchen@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Cheng-Kuang Chen <chengkuangchen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GlobalForumIntl] Letter in Calgary Herald-- Pls post on fapa forum.
To: "TDA" <tati@taiwantt.org.tw>
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 11:48 PM

Bridge to Nowhere
Dear Coen:
Different eyes see different messages in the same movie. As I can see from your description, it's the ROC-DPP and its die-hard supporters like you that fit the image of Colonel Nicholson so perfectly that I was surprised you failed to see it. I assume in that movie, Bridge on the River Kwai, the bridge led to somewhere, but in your make of the movie on Taiwan , the bridge built by your camp is leading to nowhere!!
It is sad to see that you and the other FAPA guys had worked so hard to protect ROC and KMT by concocting a poisoned apple, called " Taiwan is ROC and ROC is Taiwan ", and fed it to the innocent Taiwanese. Your fallacy is most welcome to the Communist China, which also maintains that ROC is Taiwan and Taiwan is ROC. Now, who is Beijing 's mouthpiece?
Due to your wrong interpretation, you had not only misled FAPA, but also misguided the US Congress such that it mixed up [ Formosa ] with [the ferocious ROC-KMT regime that had invaded and occupied Formosa ]. You should have known that Formosa is the victim, and the ROC regime is the killer and aggressor. How can the victim and the killer be the same one? This is not a magic show. Those who support such lies will eventually come down as the historical sinners of Taiwan . Time will disclose the truth sooner or later.
Now that the election results in Taiwan had switched the spotlight back to ROC-KMT, the bridge made by ROC-DPP was officially destroyed. But, your camp still would not believe it's over. You continued to champion ROC by dressing it up as Taiwan , and tried to sneak into the UN. I bet you don't even know who you are working for any more, Taiwan , ROC or PRC? You are deceiving the Formosans by using the fallacy, [The people of Taiwan has the right and can join UN], but as what country, may I ask? Neither Taiwan nor ROC is a sovereign state, and statehood is the requirement of UN membership. You are merely obsessed with a delusion not sustainable. See, how well you can play the role of Colonel Nicholson?
If we should follow your storyline to the end, Taiwanese would have nothing to fight against PRC's invasion, because ROC is part of China . If ROC is Taiwan , according to you, China can legally take over Taiwan without a sweat. Now, who is marching to the drumbeat of Beijing , yet is paid for by the innocent Taiwanese taxpayers? The future of Taiwan would turn black at the end of the movie made by ROC-DPP and FAPA guys, the historical sinners of Taiwan . Is this how you want to be remembered by the numerous Taiwanese to come, who would lose hope for democracy because of you?
It is the US Department of State that said [ Taiwan cannot join UN]. So, what's the big deal? Why don't you protest to Daniel Wilder, the spokesman of DOS.
Our way is the fastest, safest and most reliable way to help Taiwan reach for international organizations, such as UN. Why do you oppose without good reasons! Each step of our way is backed up by sound legality as follows.
(1) Request termination of the military occupation by ROC. Whoever brought the devilish invaders to Formosa is obliged to take it away from us. This is the greatest wish shared by all Formosans.
(2) Organize the civil government, draft and legalize the organic laws per referendum of the people of Formosa .
(3) The foreign power, KMT and ROC, the regime in exile shall be back to their homeland, Kinmen and Matsu . Like it or not, it's the law.
(4) The people of Formosa need to learn how to manage themselves under the protection of USMG, which has the power and obligation to help Formosa achieve its goal.
(5) In the case of Cuba , it took a few years, and in Philippines ' 10 years to get independent. Puerto Rico is still undecided on its independence.
After a few years of initial promotion, we have stepped into action starting March 26th, 2006. Look at what we have accomplished so far in less than 3 years!!
1. The federal lawsuit has got to the court of appeals, after you lied to the public that it was dismissed and hit a dead end. You should apologize to the Formosans for spreading the wrong information intended to break their hearts.
2. We have applied and started to organize the Formosa Civil Government.
3. The passport of Formosa Cession has been issued.
4. The flag of the Formosan Cession is established.
Each step of our endeavors has been sent to US-DOS for their records.
The lawsuit is proceeding in the [Court of Appeals], and the more than 1,000 pages accumulated legal documents were viewed by nearly 3 dozens of professional lawyers, who spent nearly 3 years on the case. If even the DOS attorneys could not dismiss the case of [Lin v. USA ], all the laypersons like Coen, Steve and Allen etc. should refrain themselves from spreading unprofessional gossips. Since many of you are actually spending the money taxed from Formosans, you should strive to work with Dr. Roger Lin et al, instead of wasting all parties' money and time by carrying on the endless disputes based on the ROC-DPP's Bridge to Nowhere.
Global Forum Cheng Kuang Chen
Sept. 17, 2008


coenblaauw@aol.com wrote:
Again, you are doing Beijing's work -- You have become their mouthpiece ---

That you rally a couple of innocent and well-meaning folk in front of the presidential palace and label this as a "Mass Protest" is fine. All these pinprick events WITHIN Taiwan are fine as a matter of fact. Especially that talk about a shadow government and about moving the ROC to Kinmen and Matsu. It does not attest to a large sense of reality, but it is kind of cute.

But that you now start telling the people of Canada (and thus the rest of the online community) that the 23 million of Taiwan will not be able to join the United Nations based on some sort of legal "theory" and under the guise of "education" is unacceptable. That is exactly Beijing's position!

That sad sap Colonel Nicholson comes to mind -- the character in the 1957 movie "Bridge on the River Kwai" played by Alec Guinness. British officer Nicholson is SO PROUD of the bridge he so carefully designed and built that he rather shoots down and sacrifices his own men than see the structure he designed collapse and fade away.

And just before the end credits start rolling you see him wonder around aimlessly murmuring to himself "What have I done...? What have I done...?"

And then the screen turns to black....


COEN BLAAUW



* * *



International laws; Calgary Herald
Published: Wednesday, September 10, 2008

The conjecture that Taiwan fully qualifies for admission to the UN is often advanced in a wide variety of media. Unfortunately, however, what the authors of these articles completely overlook in their analysis is a branch of international law called the "laws of war." Under the laws of war of the post-Napoleonic period, the Oct. 25, 1945 Japanese surrender ceremonies in Taiwan did not mark the transfer of Taiwan's sovereignty to China (as the Chinese have so vociferously proclaimed for over 60 years). Legally speaking, the completion of the surrender ceremonies only marked the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan. The Chinese moved its central government to occupied Taiwan, to become a government in exile. Not surprisingly, when Japan renounced its sovereignty over Taiwan in the post-war peace treaty, the government in exile20was not designated as the recipient. Hence, Taiwan is not a state, it remains as occupied territory. As such, it cannot enter the United Nations.

Roger C.S. Lin

Roger C.S. Lin has a Ph. D. in international law from Meijo University in Japan, has served as chairman of the Taiwan Civil Democratic Party, and currently lives in Taipei, Taiwan.

The Calgary Herald 2008
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