2008年11月14日 星期五

去台灣辦事處,倒馬吧-----in USA

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淺談百萬人島內滅中到300萬人滅中的距離..

這幾天,上揚唱片被中國畜生多次半夜敲門,傳真,電話與信件恐號,雖已多次報案,警察局今天被質詢時卻故意表示警察局不知道此事,有誰來告訴我,在台灣的中國人不須要消滅的?

為什麼全世界有中國人的地方就是髒就是亂? 歐洲人100年前就說中國人是蟑螂,所到之處非髒即亂,妓女,,販毒,黑道,偷搶騙不所不在,讓各國政府頭疼不已! 這種瘟疫與沒有人類感覺的蝗蟲,誰來告訴我台灣人不能消滅髒亂? 中國人不須要消滅? 我們舉個例, 網路上串連, 隨便都有萬餘人,這種連線台灣豈止百條,島內滅中隨便號召都上百,台灣人只是存在著不殺低級動物的耐性與原則,卻被中國來的這些獸人看扁了; 300萬人同一時間被惹火,上街滅中,以每個人身後共四口人為一家計算,那就表示1200萬人贊成島內滅中,也就是必需解讀超過台灣人口數一半贊成島內滅中,適時,管你馬畜牲狗畜牲還是豬畜!

然而最詭異的,是數字,100萬到300,在人數氣氛感染上,等於是隔壁,今天王金平已經感受到這100萬人的氣氛,才會出來說話,但姬芭瑪瑪小姐似乎想知道台灣人的底限,甚至打算用台灣軍警法檢調國安來對付台灣人,所以若要動手,我們必須先告知我們的軍警子弟,不可參予殺害台灣家人的行列,不可學軍警法檢調國安當中國人的走狗,我們必須好好教導台灣子弟,養成默契! 如此一來,100萬到300萬人口數,我估計只需4周時間.

300萬人的象徵意義是什麼? 不管是馬畜牲,狗畜牲還是豬畜牲,都將是跪在馬路上磕頭謝罪致死的畜牲罷了!

談上揚唱片事件:事關「是非」,無關「藍綠」

文:Alice

我是上揚唱片的家屬,雖然1104事件過了很多天,心情已稍平復,本想默默等事件過去,重回以往平靜的生活…….但看到電視播出李漢卿連在議會上仍大言不慚的說出悖離事實的話,還真是忍無可忍一定要聲明如下:

針對李漢卿說「因為店家覺得危險主動去關鐵門」的說詞,我所知道的是:

覺得危險急著想關鐵門的是警察!!! (套句他說的話,如果他覺得我說謊,歡迎提告!

是他們命令門市員工去關,員工才被動去按鐵門開關,但因鐵門下方有CD架得先搬開,員工便把鐵門停下來要去搬時,警察情急又自行跑去按開關,才導致鐵門卡住降不下來、而CD架也被壓壞了!

鐵門因為故障卡死警察也拉不下來,所以門只關了上半部,幾個警察才只好手扶著門站一排擋住門口。當時老闆在外面看人跳舞,關鐵門時她還被人擋在門外急個半死,因為鐵門、CD陳列架活生生在眼前被弄壞,也在推擠中受了些許皮肉傷。當夜修鐵門的因太晚沒來,公司門戶大開,一夜提心吊膽捱到早上,光修理鐵門費用就上萬、還不包括那個以前訂做的鐵製CD陳列架……….

我們自認倒楣花錢了事就算了,也能諒解警察壓力大一時緊張、反應過當;但接下來幾天李漢卿多次面對媒體還是態度強硬,振振有詞的說鐵門是店家主動關的、警察無須道歉、歡迎提告等等,真是令人覺得既憤怒、又難過………

多希望他可以閉嘴啊!…… 那代表人民保母還有是非觀念與羞恥心,這樣身為受害者的我們也能原諒,會阿Q的認為沈默也代表一種道歉。可是他連在市議會被質詢還是沒說真話,還詭辯說「沒有搜索、沒有扣押」…. 這種似是而非的文字遊戲比明謊更可惡.!因為那是混淆視聽,企圖模糊是與非、真與假的界線,讓人看不清真相,暗示有錯的是店家自己!

如果誠信是一種該被尊重的價值,.如果我們的社會還需要有公義,那真不知道誰能的忍受.

堂堂國家公權力怎麼可以做錯事死不認錯,還不斷說謊、圓謊,還一直嗆百姓「歡迎提告」?

這擺明是靠勢諒你商家不敢提告、欺壓百姓的霸凌行為啊!可知道看在眼睛雪亮的人民眼裡,他所投射出的是一個什麼樣的政府形象?

上週二114號,上揚唱片做著它幾十年來一直在做的事:開店做生意、放音樂給顧客試聽…..沒想到晚上卻因陳雲林在國賓吃飯而蒙受無妄之災,讓公司一時成為新聞的焦點。這幾天我們感受到許多人的溫暖,卻也開始接到奇奇怪怪的恐嚇電話,令人覺得非常困擾。因為這應該是單純的是非問題,而不是藍綠的問題吧!我們能理解當下奉命行事的警察也有不得已的苦衷和壓力,但事後他們應該對執法過當做出反省而非強辯,因這無異是火上加油,也導致事情繼續激盪而無法平息。

上揚並不想從這個事件中謀利,也不希望被有心人士操作,更不願成為激進人士的箭靶。李漢卿的不實說詞會誤導滿足某些人的偏激想像,這無疑是是對上揚的二度加害;而被比喻成猶如二二八的指標事件,對我們也實在太沈重了!一個默默為台灣音樂付出努力幾十年的公司,不該也不能成為藍綠鬥爭的祭品!人民有免於恐懼的自由,媒體不應成為恐懼的幫凶,而公權力更不該是恐懼的來源!!

再次聲明:上揚沒有主動關鐵門,也只是應顧客要求放試聽片而已;我們辛苦耕耘叫好不叫座的本土音樂已久,店中本來就有很多台灣音樂。對於有些媒體惡意影射店家煽動,甚至牽扯出親屬中有綠朝官員去刻意連結、製造某種形象來模糊警察濫權的焦點,我們要提出嚴正的抗議!!更何況家族中也有偏藍成員。諷刺的是,他還是從陳水扁、馬英九到郝龍斌的市政府顧問,也有許多的政、警界好友。即便如此,當人民基本權利被失控的公權力無情踐踏時,再好的人脈關係也沒用,因為當下損害已經造成……..

唯一能彌補的是:"Honesty is the best policy"。請高層主管機關查明真相,要求濫權的警察認錯、道歉並作出應有的懲處與反省,儘快弭平與人民情感的裂痕,促使事件平和圓滿落幕。讓我們相信:公理正義沒有顏色,台灣社會不論藍綠都問是非,這個國家還值得我們大家繼續努力!

*相關影
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=nIaGMHJAG64&feature=related
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=jFqbVi-a21s&feature=related

律師:法官一度說沒法咬上扁

更新日期:2008/11/13 04:34 蔡慧貞∕台北報導

前總統陳水扁委任律師鄭文龍昨日指出,在昨天凌晨的聲押庭中,法官一度當庭表明心證,質疑檢方聲請羈押前總統陳水扁的證據力不足,甚至明白問檢方說,「這幾個人(指陳鎮慧、林德訓、馬永成等人)的筆錄,還沒有辦法咬上陳水扁,怎麼可以說他犯罪嫌疑重大,需要羈押?」但最後卻裁定羈押,令他們相當詫異。

據了解,檢方主要以國務機要費案、龍潭購地案和力麒建設公司相關案子的偵辦內容,做為辯論和聲押陳水扁的主要依據。扁委任律師鄭文龍指出,聲押庭辯論過程中,法官當庭表明心證表示,「國務機要費性質和別費一樣,所有首長都有,總統不可能沒有」,法官也認為,馬英九特別費案已經判決確定,「沒有必要不尊重這個判決」,因此國務機要費性質應依馬英九案見解,以大水庫、小水庫理論。

此外,鄭文龍也表示,法官在閱覽了特偵組提供有關國務機要費案、龍潭案、力麒案,包括林德訓、馬永成、陳鎮慧等相關人員筆錄時發現,檢方在偵訊扁時,雖將「扁珍混在一起」詰問,但連法官都說,「看筆錄內容也沒指涉陳水扁,還沒有辦法咬上陳水扁,怎麼可以說他犯罪嫌疑重大,需要羈押?」法官質問檢方說,「特偵組有什麼依據認定會串供?」

扁委任律師更向法官表示,九個關係人已被收押,如何可能再串供,而且檢方筆錄都做了,該搜索的也搜索了,該取得的供詞也都了,「還有什麼好串?」最後,法官更問檢方,認為未來有誰會串供?結果檢方答以,「馬永成、林德訓,吳淑珍陳致中等」,但律師認為,吳的偵訊已做,口供已取得,「無勾串可能性」;而陳致中涉及國務機要費的繳款單部分,若依李前總統和馬英九的大水庫理論,亦不構成犯罪。

最後,檢方再提出,「在龍潭購地案中,時任行政院長的游錫?還未偵訊。」扁律師認為,這根本是檢方故意不約,留下一人,以做為收押陳水扁,避免串供的理由。實際上,游是行政院長,當時負責相關業務主管都已完成口供,為何獨不傳游?法官也當場問檢方,「為何不傳?」其時,開庭氣氛有些尷尬。

聲押庭至此,鄭文龍一度樂觀認為,扁不會被收押。但在等待地院做出最後裁示時,隨著時間不斷流逝,「等越久,心裡越毛」,才開始感到情況不妙,最後終究一如扁所預期,地院裁定收押。

問題不在暴力,在政府濫權 洪裕宏

(作者為陽明大學心智哲學所教授)

馬英九先生說,集遊法「要改成報備制沒有問題,問題不在報備,而是在暴力。」暴力怎會是問題呢?誰暴力誰就得接受法律制裁,這根本沒有爭議性。陳雲林來訪五天,馬政府武裝濫權,鎮壓人民憲法保障之集會遊行與言論自由權之後,社會擔心的是台灣民主是否告終?馬政府會不會以全面性的司法迫害及各種直接間接的方式,消滅台灣精英,或以製造恐怖氣氛,炮製馬英九熟悉的兩時代的「白色恐怖」,使台灣各階層、各行業的精英心生恐懼,因而自我限縮,乖順服從馬先生強加於台灣人民的統一大業?

馬先生到底了不了解民主?當他開口閉口遵憲行憲時他懂不懂憲法本質上就是一部人權保障法?他知不知道主權屬於人民?他知不知道人民最大?他知不知道政府公權力的正當性來自人民的同意?他懂不懂憲法所保障的基本人權是絕對權利,只有在極特殊、有產生立即重大危害的條件下才可限縮人民基本人權?

這些觀念是自歐洲十八世紀啟蒙運動以來,深植人心的自由觀念,也是民主社會的基本價值,不會因社會因素而被否定。然而馬英九竟然說「只要有暴力,不管什麼制度都不可以。」這跟民選的希特勒以反共為名建立獨裁德國何異?民主價值是不可放棄與折扣的基本價值。

美國政治哲學家、哈佛大學教授羅爾斯在其《正義理論》名著中所提出正義第一原則即主張基本人權與政治權利是不可以用任何藉口剝奪的最優先權利。馬英九一副軍閥模樣,教訓起人民,威脅取消人民的憲法權利,他不知道他無權作威作福,把人權當作恩賜物,你乖乖才給你糖吃。台灣選出如此「區領導人」,真是不幸!

有些令人作嘔的國民黨籍立委呼應馬先生,說「修改集會遊行法重點在於維護社會安全與公共秩序」。馬政府上上下下都是這種心態,假借安全與秩序之名限縮憲法保障的基本人權。馬英九與他的黨真的仍然是兩時代的那個威權國民黨,台灣過去二十年的民主改革對這幫人無影響,滿腦子依舊塞滿了威權思維。台灣民主真的已陷入危險狀況,恐怕不是「反藍色恐怖」就足以拯救台灣民主於不亡。未來幾年,如果馬先生不懸崖勒馬,台灣人民為保民主,恐怕街頭紛亂頻繁,馬先生若尚有一絲人性,請不要置台灣民主於死地!

S.F.同鄉們,讓我們中去台灣辦事處,倒馬吧

自從英國狗妈英九, 沐伙兒冠以來,一心想要當共產黨的龜兒子, 抓台灣人進牢房, 馬狗貪數千萬! 結果是中狗貪污, 無罪人類須坐牢, 宋狗貪污, 逍遙海外, 中國狗貪污沒有人受刑法制伏, 中國婊子李慶安是美國籍, 孩子沒屁眼的司法不查!

Hello All

Taiwan is not a country, so the president voted by people just puppet leadership, no wonder every president had no much interesting to develop the homeland, but bribery or black gold, because those presidents knew Taiwanese self blurred their homeland, or did not have sense of justices to stand for the homeland, never claim the island is their country, but let other to decide the island-Taiwan is belonging to who? If citizens of Taiwan do not claim island is their country, enemy CCP takes advantages step up to claim the island belongs it, right?

Abain is good example of all officials’ bribery of black gold in the past. KMT must do everyone be the same, those corruption government officials in more than half of century also must bring up to punishments and fair judgment by the laws say according. No one can escape the bribery or black gold since the past half century ago.

KMT can bring many cases to the court for fair judgments, Can DPP or all variety Taiwan organizations also bring more cases to the court for fair judgment? Taiwanese should not just learn copy or echo bribery but failed obligation to bring those dirty conducts government officials to the courts. But hide them free from the punishment by the laws.

Stop those Taiwanese only learn to be part of collusion but failed to point out those already involved bribery or black gold, but they are free from responsible of laws.

KMT did to Abain is good example of DPP or variety political or organizations to learn and copy, which important to get rid of 3000 years of China dirty trick government official corruption.

How KMT did became the world richest political party in just 40 years in Taiwan, while defeated by CCP relocation to Formosan Island in 1949? How the money did came up? Abain approached citizens of Taiwan vote civil rights of referendum to past the laws to ask KMT return the money and gold to benefit the entire people of island, but citizens of Taiwan rejected Abain approached?

Taiwan needs clean and transparent governments systems by copy the US or even be better then US. Can citizens of Taiwan start watch closely each and everyone government officials or authorities and agencies that any have dishonor conduct bribery or collusion repeatedly?

Learned experiences from the past for learn how take care of solve problems in the future, past is the best mirror for people develop best future, isn't true? Is anyone replying or better suggesting

Louise


From: mc_ch@
To: Forum@
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消滅國民黨, 保衛台灣". Re: [Forum] Go To TECO and KMT's Office in S.F.同鄉們,讓我們中去台灣辦事處,倒馬吧

DPP and protesters for Taiwan should concentrate in "消滅國民黨, 保衛台灣".

DPP candidates and Taiwan election did not loose to Ma, They lose the election to evil KMT empire in Taiwan, which includes its illegal party assets, its 35 province proportionate elected judges, prosecutors, its organize crime syndicates, its China centered educations and media lies.

Taiwanese protest for Taiwan, have to attack this evil empire at every level, from White house to Ma, to grassroots in Taiwan. Attack every KMT affiliated organization, its members and supporters, businesses, officials.

Ma can not sell out Taiwan alone, it is this evil KMT Empire, which is selling out Taiwan, destroys this empire, Ma and ROC will go with it.

Masa Siraya,



--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Catharina Gill <EastGate@> wrote:

From: Catharina Gill <EastGate@ >
Subject: [Forum] Go To TECO and KMT's Office in S.F.
同鄉們,讓我們中去台灣辦事處,倒馬吧


To: "Bay " , sb, "fapa " <fapa>, Forum@
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:30 PM

This is a positive suggestion.


I suggest that we need to organize a group and visit T.E.C.O. when they are there in weekdays, not on the weekend. We can send our statement to T.E.C.O and ask TECO to give it to Ma.Or, we can go to KMT's office in S. F. to protest A-Bian and other pan green Taiwanese people's human rights are been serious violated. Starting two days ago, he refuses to take any food.

Hawnen Lee
Taiwan Forum, Nor Cal

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同鄉們,讓我們中去台灣辦事處,倒馬吧

Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:19:47 -0500

brshea

I cannot send the following message through either, please help.

看了阿扁被押,我落淚了。看了蘇治芬的正氣,我落淚了。我每看每落淚,為台灣人落淚。 我們必須讓所有的美國人和全世界的人知道, 共匪馬英九,和 台灣沒人權,沒民主。 同鄉們,讓我們中去台灣辦事處,倒馬吧。 我們可以坐BART去。

Bing

The main bulk of constituents in the evil KMT Empire are "God dammed" Taiwanese. These slaves on the command of their master execute the evil acts against the real Taiwanese. The injustice today is the result of what we tolerate the Taiwanese ferocious acts in the past, current and possible in the future.

Hugh Chen

http://www.uscc.gov/about/commissioners/commpg.php

I would suggest the Chairman Larry Wortzel of the Congressional Commission on Economic and Strategic Review of China.

This is a strong starting point because Taiwan judicial interests are being undermined by

strategic and economic interests from China. This is one possibility but what do Sydney Chen and others think about this?

Now is not the time for meekness. It is time to assert rights of due process. Lin v. USA

is doing this and is strategically important under the "territorial jurisdiction" of Johnson v. Eisentrager. We need a consensus amongst the broadest scope of Taiwanese as might be possible. TCRLO will follow up with further litigation to broaden the scope of SFPT. It is necessary to focus public interest onto the White Terror period of the KMT. 2-28 is the Alpha of ROC on Taiwan and we must also find the Omega of ROC. The beginning and the end of ROC. Washington pundits love Ma. We've need to send a clear and strong message that Ma is not their godsend. Abian may or may not be guilty of graft but he is not going to get KMT impartial due process from the ROC judiciary.

Jeff Geer


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Respect (Taipei) <respect.twn@ > wrote:

From: Respect (Taipei) <respect.twn@ >
Subject: [Forum] Sponsor Taiwan "End of USMG?" Congressional Inquiry
To: GlobalForumIntl@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:28 PM

It seems to me that you first have to establish that Taiwan is an "overseas territory under the jurisdiction of USMG. Obviously, this is one of the key points of Dr. Roger Lin's court case, when the lawyers stress that the United States is the "principal occupying power" of Taiwan.

I seem to recall that Forum also had a petition to the US Dept. of State some time ago regarding seeking a clarification of when SFPT Article 4(b) jurisdiction of USMG over Taiwan was ended......

(In other words, asking for a clarification of when the Commander in Chief announced the end of USMG TAIWAN, as he did for the Article 3 territories effective May 15, 1972.) See http://www.taiwanke y.net

However, I don't believe any reply was ever received.

PERHAPS WE JUST NEED A MEMBER OF CONGRESS TO WRITE TO DOS TO CLARIFY THIS ASPECT FIRST!!!!

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Jeff Geer <taiwanst@> wrote:

We need to get someone in Congress (Senator or Representative) to sponsor a bill in favor of "due process" under TRA. This bill sponsor should be ultimately be someone who is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or House International Relations Committee. But anyone in the Taiwan Caucus would be a great start! By due process, we mean "military tribunal" or "military commission" under SFPT judicial administrative authority under Laws of War. Because the 23 million people of Taiwan cannot readily gain access to the United Nations, American due process of SFPT is necessary. Otherwise, 2-28 redress will never be achieved. TCLRO cannot engage in extensive lobbying but another organization can be created for this purpose:

http://www.irs. gov/pub/irs- tege/eotopicl03. pdf


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